Chris
When the Finnish players refused to speak English, they were rangebanned. It was only lifted in 1.8. This is a rule and it always has been. k_chris
Enton
I support English as the main server language and told the Poles to speak English, since even underage Finns try to. Also, I don't want the Poles to disturb English chat discussions if there are any, since this server is not Karagrad. I understand some of your points, but your butthurt appears to be forced and exaggerated, so it's definitely not a casus belli.
I want to add that the colony near Finngolia is a result of venomthrope's constant provocation, who just enjoys bullying the new players instead trying to calm down the entire situation. There are several players contesting the Finngolian land claims in the Sea of Florina, since the claims are too extensive and the border posts were made with mod powers. — Enton 2013/02/28 03:21
Sik
I would agree that it was not really a valid cause for casus belli, but as a mod you should have stepped in and let them know to tone it down. I personally don't mind it from time to time, but it gets excessive. Perhaps people are complaining too much though. Are they aware that we have a server teamspeak? I'd prefer Poles and their potatospeak on there than all of Kovio's retarded friends/Quentin. — Sikandar 2013/02/28 03:29
Vlad
All the stuff with finngolia is largely irrelevant to this war. They clearly have the numbers so they are either a nation, in which case they must agree to certain guidelines, including war, or they are not, which would not be in their interests, as you have mentioned.
I was on the server today during what must have been Polish power hour and it was indeed intrusive and disruptive. I had to scroll up to find who I was talking to at times. This alone is not an issue as a lively and active chat is a sign of a healthy server. The issue is that 90% of that chat was in a language that most people on the server don't understand. This is unacceptable as far as server law is concerned. I don't want to force them not to speak to eachother- on the contrary. They are more than welcome to speak in English or, as Sikandar says, use the teamspeak or irc channels that have been provided. Spamming the chat with Polish, however, is a legitimate problem and, in my opinion, can be justification for a conflict. This justification can easily be removed, however, if the Poles take advantage of the many opportunities available to them. Blood need not be shed. — Arbiter 2013/02/28 03:31
Enton
Many players seem to think so, indeed, and your description of the current situation is rather accurate. And yes, I've probably been too inconsequent, not having reprimanded the players who violated it repeatedly. Most of them seem to be able to speak English on a decent level. That's why I'm trying to point it out once more on their imageboard and I hope we won't have to discuss it again. — Enton 2013/02/28 03:55
Vlad
That's what's sort of annoying is that most if not all of them can speak english, it's just not easy for them. I'm sympathetic to this, however we have other options like IRC and TS that let them speak their native language also. In my mind this war isn't really a war but just a wake up call for them to make up their minds to either speak English in chat or to use another medium for speaking Polish. They seem like bros and I don't want to chase them off, but something needs to change. — vlad 2013/02/28 04:03
Venom
The poles have taken this shit too far. They think they rule the server and are actively breaking the rules thanks to someone who i though once had common sense keeps encouraging those shit head due to some misguided racial loyalty or need to defend the weak but still retarted “people”. -Venomthrope-
I only claim the sea because i dont want to move towards west that's a shitty hole with fugged up map generation. And i claim the seas because im building shit under them and as you people fucking know it takes time to build shit i aint got a shitton of mindless slaves to do shitty boxes all around, those regions will get shit in them when i or one of my few cronies have the time to build them. I have “given” clay for rosenmann and PPA to develop so that theyll get some stuff into them but Finngolia will remain the nation they are part of as regions. The regions will get their autonomy(or independence once they have build it into something remarkable to be a good reason for independence in my opinion) once they bother to ask and well work out the details.-Landrunner-
Rosen
V1adimirr: I had to scroll up to find who I was talking to at times.
This is unacceptable as far as server law is concerned
Show me this law because I don't even remember it.
I'd like also to remind that finns weren't rangebanned for talking in finnish, but because most/almost all of them griefed at some point. Venom, _if_ you are witness of active breaking the rules it's your right and duty to punish that with ban.
Because being a mod is something more than protecting bloated borders of your nation (according to http://www.dev-urandom.eu/lib/exe/fetch.php/nations:nf_map_1.0.png?cache=&w=900&h=682 ) and the map and harassing your neighbours, I have calculated that you have claimed 2 square km of lands and seas, which makes your claim bigger of any existing nation and is evident example of landrun.
areteee
Today I joined #chat, this is what I got:
[17:23] * Now talking in #chat
[17:23] * Topic is 'server wiki: http://dev-urandom.eu/doku.php | server map: http://mc.dev-urandom.eu/map/ | current server version is 1.4.7-R1.0 | 4This map will definitely stay, don't bother, continue your projects!'
[17:23] * Set by Enton on Tue Feb 26 14:15:36
[17:23] <autism> <Novadayz> czemu sie kuraw nie zginiesz XD
[17:23] <autism> <Blendzior> mam juz dwa stacki wyfarmione
[17:23] <autism> <Blendzior> feather falling iv na butach motzno xD
[17:23] <autism> <Rumzeiss> moge ci cos dac w zamian jak potrzebujesz
[17:23] <autism> <Blendzior> nie jest tak szybka ta farma jak miala byc
[17:23] <autism> <Blendzior> ale spawnery sa za daleko od siebie o dwa klocki
[17:23] <autism> <Blendzior> wiec uzywam tylko jednego
[17:23] <areteee> >not this polespeak again
[17:23] <areteee> .players
[17:23] <autism> 14Online (16/89): Aresal Blendzior Bobias Kitalke LAWABOJ Misztal Novadayz Pahom Rumzeiss Wololo ifcfg m__b nabigator no1se papies tibeerius
[17:24] <autism> <m__b> who are you quoting?
[17:24] <areteee> idk I just joined and the first 7 lines were in polish
[17:24] <areteee> hue
[17:24] <autism> <Blendzior> your old when he made you xDDDD
[17:24] <autism> <Rumzeiss> we dominated the server
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[17:24] <autism> <Wololo> >while he was of making you
[17:24] <autism> <Blendzior> >was of
[17:24] <autism> <Rumzeiss> you will all soon eat pierogi with wodka
[17:24] <autism> <Novadayz> XD
[17:25] <autism> <Novadayz> trzeba tam 3 wjebac
[17:25] <autism> <Novadayz> bo nie spadaja cos siuski
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[17:25] <autism> <Blendzior> czo?
[17:25] <autism> <Novadayz> no bo pod dzwignia jest klocek ktory nie znika xD a rola magika ze ma znikac
[17:25] <autism> <Blendzior> aa
[17:26] <autism> <m__b> gdzie to obserwatorium?
[17:26] <autism> <Blendzior> ale ten kolo dzwigni nie taki wazny
[17:26] <autism> <Novadayz> na bagnie
[17:26] <autism> <Blendzior> ten poprzedni moglby znikac ale na nim drzwi stoja
[17:26] <autism> <Blendzior> ale mam pomysl
[17:26] <autism> <Rumzeiss> czytam dyskusje o walefinow na wiki
[17:26] <autism> <Rumzeiss> te finczyki to sa z guwna cale jednak
[17:26] <autism> <Blendzior> tez zaraz poczytam
[17:26] <autism> 14Online (16/89): Aresal Blendzior Bobias Kitalke LAWABOJ Misztal Novadayz Pahom Rumzeiss Wololo ifcfg m__b nabigator no1se papies tibeerius
[17:27] <autism> <Kitalke> gdzie ta dyskusja?
[17:27] <autism> <Blendzior> o tak
[17:27] <autism> <Blendzior> i wtedy 3 klocki znikaja
[17:27] <autism> <Novadayz> 2
[17:27] <autism> <Blendzior> no kurde
[17:27] <autism> <Blendzior> to dej pistona xD
[17:27] <autism> <Rumzeiss> wiki>walefinow>discussion
[17:27] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:28] <autism> <Novadayz> ale tam tloku 3 nie ma
[17:28] <autism> <Blendzior> no to zrob i wsadz xD
[17:28] <autism> 14[LAWABOJ disconnected]
[17:28] <autism> <Novadayz> nie mam bruku xD
[17:28] <autism> <Rumzeiss> szybko rozbierac piramide xD
[17:28] <autism> <Wololo> nova ile hp masz?
[17:28] <autism> <Blendzior> 4 cobble potrzebne biedaku xD
[17:28] <autism> <Novadayz> ma kto bruku XD
[17:28] <autism> <Wololo> testhita chce jebnac xD
[17:28] <autism> <Novadayz> 2 serc ni mom
[17:28] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:28] <autism> <Blendzior> SPOKOJ
[17:28] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:28] <autism> <Novadayz> juz 10293910
[17:29] <autism> 14[johnsmith connected]
[17:29] <autism> <Rumzeiss> co ta emigracja z karagradu
[17:29] <autism> <johnsmith> dzie ta wojna
[17:29] <autism> <Wololo> ej a nie lepiej ten pod guzikiem w ogole wypierdolic?
[17:30] <autism> <Novadayz> XD dzieki geniuszu
[17:30] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:30] <autism> <Rumzeiss> >16 osob na serwerze
[17:30] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:30] <autism> <Novadayz> XD
[17:30] <autism> <Wololo> przezylem
[17:30] <autism> <Novadayz> blendzior
[17:30] <autism> <Rumzeiss> >11 to onionland xD
[17:30] <autism> <johnsmith> xD
[17:31] * kovio-phone (~KOVIOS@98d7b261.cloak.irc.dev-urandom.eu) Quit (Ping timeout: 20 seconds)
[17:31] <autism> <Novadayz> dawaj trloka
[17:31] <autism> 14[LAWABOJ connected]
[17:31] <autism> <Blendzior> dej redstone
[17:31] <autism> 14[Kitalke disconnected]
[17:32] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:32] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:32] <autism> <Wololo> o ty chuju
[17:32] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:32] <autism> <Wololo> co ten magik
[17:33] <autism> <Novadayz> moje napisy woloszku
[17:33] <autism> <johnsmith> ktos mial cos napierdalac dzie wojna
[17:33] <autism> <m__b> byla jusz
[17:33] <autism> <Novadayz> musisz wejsc
[17:33] <autism> <Rumzeiss> finczyki guwno
[17:33] <autism> <Novadayz> tam wojan w tym
[17:33] <autism> <ifcfg> sorry for interferencing, but what woloszhku means?
[17:33] <autism> <Wololo> tera lepsze
[17:33] <autism> <Novadayz> dajta bruku
[17:34] <autism> <Wololo> wincyj nimom
[17:34] <autism> <Blendzior> abbreviation for wololo
[17:34] <autism> <Blendzior> well not really abbreviation
[17:34] <autism> <ifcfg> k, ty
[17:34] <autism> 14[Misztal disconnected]
[17:34] <autism> <Blendzior> but you know what i mean
[17:34] <autism> <Wololo> wejdz tam
[17:34] <autism> 14[Julianismus connected]
[17:34] <autism> <johnsmith> no juz lece
[17:34] <autism> <Rumzeiss> >mfw they are creating a vocabulary of onionspeak xD
[17:34] <autism> 14[tibeerius disconnected]
[17:34] <autism> <Julianismus> heilou
[17:34] <autism> <johnsmith> zabija czy motzno uszkadza tylko?
[17:35] <autism> <Wololo> nie wiem
[17:35] <autism> <johnsmith> o rak przyszedl
[17:35] <autism> <Wololo> ja mam buty
[17:35] <autism> <Blendzior> no elo
[17:35] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:35] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:35] <autism> <Blendzior> jaki rozpierdol xD
[17:36] <autism> <Blendzior> mam jedna pierdolona schizofrenie
[17:36] <autism> <ifcfg> lol
[17:36] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:36] <autism> <Rumzeiss> we should promote the tourism to onionland
[17:37] <autism> <Blendzior> make some hotels
[17:37] <autism> <Wololo> co te drzwi
[17:37] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:37] <autism> <Blendzior> super drzwi kurwo
[17:37] <autism> 14[Pahom disconnected]
[17:37] <autism> 14[Przekoles connected]
[17:37] <autism> <Blendzior> >przekoles
[17:37] * Misztal (25804827@b60b3ad7.cloak.irc.dev-urandom.eu) Quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
[17:37] <autism> <Blendzior> czy to kolejny tibia? xD
[17:37] <autism> <Przekoles> nie, ale nei widzialem jaki dac nick xD
[17:38] <autism> <johnsmith> tibia nakreca spirale nienawisci
[17:38] <autism> <Novadayz> chujowy XD
[17:38] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:38] <autism> <Blendzior> dzie drzwi? xD
[17:38] <autism> <Wololo> lawagoj tu jest
[17:38] <autism> <Novadayz> spadly
[17:38] <autism> <Przekoles> also jest juz jakas wioska, bo na mapce sa pozaznaczane rozne
[17:38] <autism> <johnsmith> novadayz to gimbus
[17:38] <autism> <Novadayz> jak ty
[17:38] <autism> 14[MystiaLorelei connected]
[17:38] <autism> <johnsmith> ps to prawda
[17:38] <autism> <LAWABOJ> trololo bylem przy budowie tego
[17:38] <autism> 14[Pahom connected]
[17:38] <autism> <m__b> >trololo
[17:39] <autism> 14[johnsmith disconnected]
[17:39] <autism> <Novadayz> ee
[17:39] <autism> <Novadayz> XD ja tu zrobie quiz czy chca przezyz czy nie
[17:40] <autism> <Blendzior> przezyz
[17:40] <autism> <Blendzior> prze zyzz
[17:40] <autism> <LAWABOJ> jak w qube
[17:40] <autism> <Novadayz> przezyc xD
[17:40] <autism> <Novadayz> w polowie bedzie najtrudniejsze pytanie swiata
[17:40] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:40] <autism> <Novadayz> i na lewo lawa a na prawo woda XD
[17:40] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:40] <autism> <Rumzeiss> a srasz?
[17:41] <autism> <Novadayz> dawaj te perly XD
[17:41] <autism> <Novadayz> strongolhda ide szukac
[17:41] <autism> <Blendzior> po co? xD
[17:41] <autism> 14[MystiaLorelei disconnected]
[17:41] <autism> <Novadayz> bo mam jajo gowna i odrodze smoka xD
[17:41] <autism> 14[MystiaLorelei connected]
[17:42] <autism> <Blendzior> >odrodze smoka
[17:42] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:42] <autism> 14[Launger connected]
[17:42] <autism> 14[Launger disconnected]
[17:43] <autism> 14[Clem1 connected]
[17:43] <autism> 4LAWABOJ hit the ground too hard
[17:43] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:43] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:43] <autism> <LAWABOJ> xD
[17:43] <autism> 14Online (17/89): Aresal Blendzior Bobias Clem1 Julianismus LAWABOJ MystiaLorelei Novadayz Pahom Przekoles Rumzeiss Wololo ifcfg m__b nabigator no1se papies
[17:43] <autism> <Blendzior> o, trzy diamenty
[17:43] <autism> 14[Gerhard connected]
[17:43] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:44] <autism> <LAWABOJ> lepiej to zostaw
[17:44] <autism> <Wololo> cho tu nova
[17:44] <autism> <Blendzior> bo? xD
[17:44] <autism> <Wololo> no chodz xD
[17:44] <autism> <Przekoles> >estonia
[17:44] <autism> <Przekoles> a islandii nei bylo?
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[17:44] <autism> 14[Misztal connected]
[17:44] <autism> <Novadayz> a juz przestales XD
[17:45] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:45] <autism> <m__b> estonia to taka finlandia tylko w lepszym stylu
[17:45] <autism> <Blendzior> zly klocek xD
[17:45] <autism> <Julianismus> Ja pierdole, jak mi za was wstyd, panowie.
[17:45] <autism> 4[Misztal was KICKED (Login Timeout)]
[17:45] <autism> 14[Misztal disconnected]
[17:45] <autism> <m__b> a za co
[17:45] <autism> <Blendzior> to fajnie
[17:45] <autism> <Blendzior> mozesz juz wypierdalac
[17:45] <autism> 14[Misztal connected]
[17:45] <autism> <Blendzior> also twoja opinia jest dla nas bardzo cenna
[17:45] <autism> <Wololo> nie dziala
[17:45] <autism> <Rumzeiss> SPIRALA NIENAWISCI
[17:45] <autism> <Przekoles> also, tu jest jakas wioska anonow, czy gra sie z normalfagami tez?
[17:46] <autism> <m__b> jest nasza wioska
[17:46] <autism> <Rumzeiss> przekoles, zaprowadzic cie?
[17:46] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:46] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:46] <autism> <Blendzior> uderzyl mnie xD
[17:46] <autism> <Przekoles> przydalobys ie :3
[17:46] <autism> <LAWABOJ> tylko za letko
[17:46] <autism> 14[Koinucian connected]
[17:46] <autism> <Blendzior> ja tez letko
[17:46] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:46] <autism> <Rumzeiss> elo
[17:46] <autism> <Przekoles> elo
[17:46] <autism> <Rumzeiss> jestem rabinem na tym dancingu
[17:47] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:47] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:47] <autism> <Koinucian> that feel when too much polish even for me
[17:47] <autism> 14[Koinucian disconnected]
[17:47] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:47] <autism> <Rumzeiss> >20 on serv >12 are onion xDDD
[17:47] <autism> <Przekoles> jak dziala ten portal?
[17:48] <autism> <Blendzior> a niech to
[17:48] <autism> <Rumzeiss> wejdz w niego i stoj
[17:48] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:48] <autism> <Novadayz> XD
[17:48] <autism> <Novadayz> taki stroll
[17:48] <autism> <Rumzeiss> wez wagonik
[17:48] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:48] <autism> <Blendzior> nie zdazylem perla rzucic xD
[17:48] <autism> 14[Koinucian connected]
[17:48] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:48] <autism> 14[Pahom disconnected]
[17:49] <autism> <Novadayz> XD
[17:49] <autism> 14[Pahom connected]
[17:49] <autism> <Blendzior> ale do wody to wy nie bojcie sie skakac xD
[17:49] <autism> 14[Gerhard disconnected]
[17:49] <autism> <Wololo> ja tam wole skakac na glebe
[17:50] <autism> <Rumzeiss> wysiadka
[17:50] <autism> <Wololo> jaki slodki :3
[17:50] <autism> 4Novadayz hit the ground too hard
[17:50] <autism> 14[Koinucian disconnected]
[17:50] <autism> <Blendzior> xD
[17:50] <autism> <Wololo> xD
[17:50] <autism> <Blendzior> taki strolowany xD
[17:50] <autism> <Novadayz> XD kurwa byla woda
[17:50] <autism> <Wololo> ale guwnoitemy
[17:50] <autism> <Novadayz> byla chlodna
[17:50] <autism> <Blendzior> w wiaderku juz xd
[17:50] <autism> <Rumzeiss> jakis chuj wylaczyl hamulec xD
[17:50] <autism> <Przekoles> i co teraz? xd
[17:50] <autism> <Blendzior> duzo dalej nie jedzie
... time when I copied this, still ongoing
Aside from all the polespeak “xD” seems to be their favourite word, /r/ justice to be done. — areteee 28.02. 17:53
chris
Vlad
Rosen, like you said, many of them were banned for griefing, but they also spamming the chat with Finnish. Alpha set a precedent by forcing them to speak English when other people were on the server. We can ask him about it because it was a long time ago and maybe neither of us have a great memory.
Really though it doesn't matter what happened with the Finns or what the rules were a week ago. If there isn't a rule, there needs to be one, quite obviously. It seems like only Polish-speakers are against this idea because perhaps they don't see a problem, but literally it is just walls and walls of
alkjsdlfkj sdlkjf jsadlkfjalsk jdlfkjlaksdj lfklsakdjlds kurwa jfldskjlk
taking up my screen and making it difficult to speak with other people in English. I don't want to chase away the new Poles, but they need to either communicate in English in the chat, or use the IRC, the TS, or the other tools they have available to them.
